Anna1111 wrote:
I don't see any room for controversy at all.
Taking a child off life support is quite simply murder. Help breathing is no different from providing food & water. I had a friend who was on "life support" (a ventilator) for 14 years. He was a quadriplegic who visited with friends, went to the mall, enjoyed restaurants, went to college, attended sporting events & went to Church. During those years, how was he less deserving of life than I am?
How could they even THINK of depriving this child of WATER?!
Couldn't we say that *all* children exist for the gratification of their parents (if that's how we chose to see the world?) Couldn't we say that we're all "in the process of dying?"
But, I remember from my Westminster Catechism as a child "Man's Chief End is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever." - we don't exist for other humans, we live by God's act and at - and for- *His* pleasure. To kill another human is a sin.
How can the state step in and order the killing of some else's child?
I don't see how anyone could look into this child's face and say, "we're now going to kill you - slowly and painfully - be depriving you of water."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-video-shows-a-lively-and-alert-alfie-evans-on-the-day-he-was-scheduled?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com
And the fact that they won't allow the family to travel to Italy - where they CAN get care - is exceptionally cruel.
>>>Taking a child off life support is quite simply murder.
<<< I don't think it's a "simple" matter at all. You can keep someone's body alive for a very long time. Is it always the right thing to do?
>>>Help breathing is no different from providing food & water.
<<< I kind of disagree with this, too. Breathing is a function we perform on our own from birth. I'm not saying it's wrong, of course, but it's not the same as food and water which must be introduced to us.
>>>I had a friend who was on "life support" (a ventilator) for 14 years. He was a quadriplegic who visited with friends, went to the mall, enjoyed restaurants, went to college, attended sporting events & went to Church. During those years, how was he less deserving of life than I am?
<<< "LIFE" "support". To support LIFE. Not to support a body without life. I know there's fine line (at least in my mind). A quadriplegic that is alive and *enjoying* life - no question at all. And NO ONE'S *life* is more deserving than anyone else's.
>>> How could they even THINK of depriving this child of WATER?!
<<< I think it's considered "natural". (I'm thinking of all the children in other, less wealthy and advanced, countries where this would never even be a consideration.)
>>> Couldn't we say that *all* children exist for the gratification of their parents (if that's how we chose to see the world?) Couldn't we say that we're all "in the process of dying?"
<<< Well, no. Not *all* children exist for the gratification of their parents but i get your drift.
>>> But, I remember from my Westminster Catechism as a child "Man's Chief End is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever." - we don't exist for other humans, we live by God's act and at - and for- *His* pleasure. To kill another human is a sin.
<<< I don't think this applies to these situations. I don't see God being glorified in this and i certainly don't see how this child would be enjoying God in this state. We wouldn't keep an animal alive like this. It is considered "humane" to "let them go".
>>> How can the state step in and order the killing of some else's child?
<<< Well, THIS i agree with!!!
>>>I don't see how anyone could look into this child's face and say, "we're now going to kill you - slowly and painfully - be depriving you of water."
<<< Watching someone die and killing them is two different things. We might have been able to keep mom's body alive longer by hydrating her artificially and "feeding" her. Why? Why would you do that?
>>> https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-video-shows-a-lively-and-alert-alfie-evans-on-the-day-he-was-scheduled?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com
<<< I didn't see that he was awake like that! The article said he was in a coma for over a year. I knew i didn't have the whole story. I am only bringing up the subject for discussion because of what was reported.
>>> And the fact that they won't allow the family to travel to Italy - where they CAN get care - is exceptionally cruel.
<<< It seems that there are many people willing to support this couple and this child. I can't really fathom why they are not allowed to take their child to Italy?
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