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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:10 pm 
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What do you make of this statement?

In past interviews, DeVos has said her goal is to use public schools to “advance God’s kingdom,” and advocates for redistributing taxpayer money to private religious schools through the use of vouchers. The New York Times found that in studying voucher programs across several states over a period of years, school vouchers actually resulted in “significant losses in achievement” for students that received them.


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 Post subject: Re: vouhers
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:50 pm 
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What I make of that statement is that statisticians can make numbers say ANYTHING they want them to say!

Some vouchers only go to low income students. Some sample groups are very small. NONE of them offer anywhere NEAR the dollar amount that public schools get of public money.
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http://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles ... -vouchers/
the LARGEST school voucher gives 5000/year. The public school kids in our district each cost 12000/year. In our state (Ohio) the money is ONLY given to kids who come from "failing" schools, and are financially disadvantaged. So, the state ruins them, then complains because the inadequately small voucher can't fix it.

So, you pay less than half the money, only give it to small, disadvantaged sample, and compare results as if it were an even playing field.

NEVER EVER EVER trust an article that gives "study results" without telling you how and by whom the study was conducted. And never trust the New York Times :ugeek:

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The NYTimes is off on this one. We have vouchers in my state, and they help lower income kids go to private school. Also any student with a "label" can go to private schools. The smaller classes and one on one attention help their achievement!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:54 am 
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My thinking exactly - as both of you!


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 Post subject: Re: vouhers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:40 pm 
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The people I've heard talking against her locally are all public school teachers and school board members and I think they are just scared of her because she doesn't just follow the status quo and because they don't want any money going anywhere but to their public schools! They won't even entertain the idea that people should have a choice in public, private, charter as far as tax money is concerned. If you want to send your kid to private or charter school and pay for it, while you still pay taxes that support their public schools, then they are all for that! lol


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Yes! It's rather ironic that the unions and establishment accuse homeschoolers and voucher supporters of "destroying public education" when we don't have anything to do with it! THEY are the only ones who have the ACCESS to "destroy public education."

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:10 pm 
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I don't really understand how the vouchers work. There was a rally here recently, for school choice, and it's caused a little bit of a stir. All I know is, I homeschool and don't think I should have to pay taxes for schools my kids don't attend. They already rob us of a ton of money, and they are still failing. How will more money help that? I have heard from at least a few parents in my town, who say the elementary school here should be condemned, that's how bad it is. Everyone sends their kids to the private and charter schools in the city. We used to have a great charter school here in town, but it closed down due to funding.

What makes it worse, is that I have found a wonderful private school that I would love to send the two little kids to, if/when we stop homeschooling. The parents rave about it and they even have a dyslexia specialist that works with struggling kids. They provide a setting for "different" kids to feel comfortable and thrive. I think it would be the perfect fit for my kids, but I would have to continue paying for our failing public schools AND the school I send my kids to? In what universe does that make sense? I have heard people say they don't want their money going to religious education, so I guess that is where I'm missing something. I thought you get to decide where your money goes, so I guess I need to learn more about the voucher system.

Even setting moral and safety concerns aside, a lot of people just don't get that even if their child thrives in a public school, other people's kids thrive in different settings. We just had something in the news, with the mother of an Autistic and ADHD kid, who said the same things I'm saying, that she just wants to be able to send her kids somewhere where they will thrive.

I hope DeVos can turn things around and bring the power back to the parents.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:12 pm 
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Also, I've checked the ratings of our local school district and they are bad! Well, there was just a news story where they said they are trying to do away with the rating system because it does not accurately reflect the school's performance! Really?! Or maybe they just don't want to admit how bad they are!

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Lisa, if you were in Florida, your kids with dyslexia issues could go free to a private school. That's how the vouchers work. If you have a label of any time (ADD, dyslexia, autism, etc.), you get a voucher. Also, if you are lower income, you can get a voucher that will pay for a percentage of private school based on income. It's really fantastic.

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