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 Post subject: Women saved thru childbearing?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:50 pm 
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This came up in Bible study. It was bro't up by a single woman in her 50's. She said she read it in several translations and they all pretty much say the same.

1 Tim 2:12

There were THREE ways the commentaries said it could be translated. sigh

Anna, i'd particularly like to know if your dh has any insights from the Greek?


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 Post subject: Re: Women saved thru childbearing?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:44 pm 
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Well - off the top of my head (and I've a very limited time online today). The interpretation that I understand is that thru the sin of Eve, all women were lost. Thru the Childbearing of the Virgin Mary - all women are offered Salvation. Therefore, femininity is redeemed thru childbearing. KWIM? (if DH later offers Greek insights, I'll plan to add more here)

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 Post subject: Re: Women saved thru childbearing?
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But Genesis says woman was *deceived* and ADAM sinned. Besides, weren't all men also lost? That doesn't compute (to me).


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 Post subject: Re: Women saved thru childbearing?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:48 pm 
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Yes - no one's denying that men sin, too! ; )

I don't see any conflict between the concepts.

(Being deceived is a sin IMHO)

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 Post subject: Re: Women saved thru childbearing?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:06 am 
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Anna1111 wrote:
Yes - no one's denying that men sin, too! ; )

I don't see any conflict between the concepts.

(Being deceived is a sin IMHO)


Yes, it is a sin, i suppose. But being deceived is not *willfully* sinning whereas Adam chose to sin. At least that's how i read it.

Did your dh have any "Greek insights"? It seems this question comes around about once a year, or at least every other year.


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 Post subject: Re: Women saved thru childbearing?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:52 am 
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Okay, okay! I asked him! :roll:

;)

So, I asked DH about the Greek - and he had a language insight - but one you could have also gotten from the English.

"Saved" has a wide range of meanings. It doesn't always refer to eternal-salvation-in-heaven. For instance, when St. Peter was sinking in the water and asked Jesus to save him, he probably meant "pull me out of this water so I don't drown" rather than "I'd like to go to heaven when I die"

So, in this case, we see it as the beneficial effect that having children brings to women - teaching us to get in the habit of thinking of someone else besides (or even before) ourselves, etc. This can help develop spiritual disciplines, as well as psychological ones (who ever was happier because they always thought of themselves first?)

And, as Orthodox, while we believe Eternal Salvation is by grace as the Bible says, we also do not believe that works are unimportant or have nothing to do with Eternal Salvation. Rather like when a little kid "helps" Daddy carry a big suitcase. Yes, Daddy does the work, but yes, the little kid does his best to contribute (even if he gets in the way more than he helps ; ) So - we don't have any problem with the idea that the raising of children might bring us closer to Eternal Salvation.

Also, note what it does NOT say - it doesn't say that childbearing is the ONLY way for women to be saved. Only that it saves women : ) So your spinster friend need not worry if she has found other ways to lead a good, healthy, Christian life.

Hope that helps your discussion : )

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 Post subject: Re: Women saved thru childbearing?
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Sis? Ya there? did I say something wrong? :?

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